Einleitung
Fehler: der Lautsprecher erzeugt rumpelnde Störgeräusche, oder er ist ganz tot.
Ursache: defekter Widerstand
solche SMD Widerstände halten normalerweise ewig;
bei meinem Lautsprecher sind jetzt aber schon 4 Stück defekt geworden.
Schuld ist diese Dichtmasse, die ist chemisch aggressiv und ruiniert die Widerstände.
Ärgerlich, wenn der schöne Subwoofer zum Elektroschrott wird wegen so nem Pfennigartikel .....
Was du brauchst
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10 Schrauben rausdrehen
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Rückwand vorsichtig ablösen, sie klebt etwas fest
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Lautsprecherkabel ablöten
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die 'böse' Dichtmasse so weit wie möglich entfernen auf der Leiterplatte, da wo sie nicht nötig ist, da wo keine Luftlöcher abzudichten sind
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defekte Widerstände freilegen, und ersetzen (auslöten geht am besten mit 2 Lötkolben)
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R9 ist gut versteckt, ebenso R14
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an R8 kommt man schlecht ran mit dem Lötkolben, da hab ich für den Ersatz einen anderen Platz gefunden, siehe Bild 3
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jenachdem wie die Dichtmasse da hin gekleckert wurde, können bei einem anderen Exemplar auch andere Widerstände betroffen sein ........
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hier ein Auszug aus der Schaltung, mit dem MC33079
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der 4. OpAmp (Pin 12, 13, 14) ist der Tiefpass für 'Crossover'
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versorgt wird der MC33079 mit +/- 12 V
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an allen 4 OpAmp Ausgängen kann man 0 V messen, gegen Masse, bei eingeschaltetem Verstärker; wenn nicht dann stimmt was nicht ......
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der kleine NE5532 dient nur zum Steuern der LED
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die Endstufe ist ein TDA7296, der läuft problemlos
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Arbeite die Schritte in umgekehrter Reihenfolge ab, um dein Gerät wieder zusammenzubauen.
Arbeite die Schritte in umgekehrter Reihenfolge ab, um dein Gerät wieder zusammenzubauen.
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Nice guide. I'm having the same symptoms (sub sounds noisy/rumbles) with the Canton AS 60 CX, which I thought was similar to the AS 60 SC, but the PCB is completely different. I bought it used and it has always had this issue. There is the same sealant spilled on some of the resistors; however, a multimeter shows the affected resistors having reasonable values in the 5-14 kilo-ohm range. I also tested the capacitors and they seem to charge/discharge normally. @gottfrieds28407 could you please offer any advice that could help me further diagnose this on the AS 60 CX? I am not overly familiar with audio electronics but I do know my way around simple circuits.
Other things I tried:
- Switching LFE cable to Left instead of Right/Mono
- Checked voice coil/surround/cone - looks healthy and intact
- Every permutation of sub settings on my A/V receiver
Hello, i had to fix my Canton several times, first it was one resistor, then it played fine for a year or so .......
then noise again, next resistor ...... and so on ........ but now i hope i have them all ..........
did you check whether it is the small-signal circuit or the power amp ?
you can find out by disconnecting or shorting the preamp output ......... is the noise gone ?
i found the bad stage by measuring DC voltage at the op amp outputs, with the amp power on
my preamp has plus/minus 12V power supply, so the outputs have 0 V DC and must be steady, not fluctuate
or you could isolate the bad stage by temporary shorting the outputs to ground ......
can you read the resistor values ? the first digits are the value, the last digit is the number of zeros
maybe you could send me a pic of your amp ?
best regards, Gottfried
@gottfrieds28407 thank you for your reply.
...whether it is the small-signal circuit or the power amp ?
you can find out by disconnecting or shorting the preamp output
Without the LFE cable connected, there is no noise. Same if the AV receiver isn't sending anything.
i found the bad stage by measuring DC voltage at the op amp outputs
or you could isolate the bad stage ...
Ah, so there are multiple stages I can test to isolate the issue? That is helpful. I do not know how to tell where the stages are on the PCB, though.
can you read the resistor values ?
It's hard for me to read the resistor stripes because they're so tiny, but at least the resistors covered by the sealant are correct. All the other resistors have sane values in the 1-20kohm range.
maybe you could send me a pic of your amp ?
I took pictures: https://overflod.chary.us/static/as60cx-... You can see on the front-right photos where the sealant is spilled. Maybe a helpful step forward would be if you could point out where on the PCB I can test each "stage".
Thanks,
Zach
looks like there was a misunderstanding: my speaker made noise when it should be silent, while yours makes distortion when playing
is that so ? then it is a different fault, but even easier to find ........
could be just a missing supply voltage ........
The speaker electronics consists of a power amplifier with heat sink, and some small signal stages for the filters, let me call them preamp.
i see your amp uses pin-thru-hole components, while mine uses SMD = surface mount devices
those black 8 pin parts U1, U2, U3 are your preamp stages .... you need to read the part number of those ICs
so we can look them up and find out which pins are the outputs
but first check the power supply ... see pic .....
https://schicks.digital/download/640d842...
those black parts are transistors .... measure the DC voltages at their pins with respect to ground ...... maybe you are lucky ............
