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Yamaha P105 Keyboard no sound. Bad Amp, DAC or Potentiometer?

Hey everyone,

I have a Yamaha P105 keyboard that I picked up for free. It's in great physical condition, but the sound is broken and I'm trying to understand why.

By broken I mean that there is no keyboard sound and the demo songs don't work. The only sound I can get out of it is what sounds like a bit crushed/distorted audio when I select one of the keyboard sounds or the demo songs. It plays for about a second then nothing. I know that the CPU works because the MIDI system works perfect, all of the keys work, the buttons work, the lights work and the debug options work.

This keyboard has 3 different audio outputs; the onboard speakers, the headphone out, and the line outs. I was expecting there to be some differences between them, but the same problem is present on all of the outputs, which is the lack of piano sound and only the strange distortion that plays when changing modes. Interestingly, changing the volume does produce a scratchy sound that is typical of potentiometer failure, but the distorted sound effect does indeed get louder as I increase the volume.

I don't have a schematic for this, and originally I was thinking that amplifier chip (YDA 175) was damaged, but since the problem is also present on the Line Outs, I am more inclined to think that the DAC (WM8524) is damaged somehow.

I suspected the amplifier because of this post I found, but the chip on my board has no signs of damage.

https://www.alexanderpeppe.com/yamaha-p1...

My board looks like this:

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Amplifier chip is IC22 and the DAC is IC23. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Does a DAC chip fail like this? Could it be the amplifier, or the volume potentiometer? Any help at all would be appreciated!

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Hi @saaif88

Here's the Yamaha P105 Service Manual that may help.

Perhaps start on p.61 of 98 DM circuit board check method for P105B and see if any errors show

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Thanks for the reply @jayeff, the service manual is certainly the most useful resource for sure!

Looking at it, page 61 is a great starting point, I need to start measuring the values once I get a meter and a scope hooked up to it.

Interestingly enough, the chart on page 61 shows that IC1 (the main processor) is the culprit if the Speaker Output, Phones Output, Aux Output and DAC signals are bad. If all of these is bad except for the DAC signal, then it could be the "Error Detect Circuit Drive", which is very interesting.

I have a hard time understanding how the main processor is bad if everything else works, but I need to start probing around. I will report back what I find.

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Well, I managed to fix it, and just posting here in case anyone comes across something like this in the future. The service manual was extremely helpful in finding the part of the board that was damaged. Upon further inspection, it looks like there was some paint(?) that fell onto the board somehow and corroded the traces ever so slightly that they ended up detaching from the resistor networks. I scratched off the solder mask to check for continuity, removed the resistor array, and repaired the traces with a single strand of 30 AWG wire. Everything works great now, but this certainly was a long troubleshooting process. Thanks again for the help @jayeff !

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Hi @saaif88

Thanks for the feedback.

Glad you got it fixed.

Wonder if excessive flux was used at sometime in the past if hand rework was done in the area on the board. The green "stain" seems translucent rather than hiding the traces as you can still see them in the first couple of images above.

Solder flux residue is corrosive apparently, especially if the flux was used too liberally and maybe the area not cleaned up properly afterwards.

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Saaif88 wird auf ewig dankbar sein.
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